From: Cap. Alejandro Franz <alfafox@prodigy.net.mx>
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:08:59 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:26:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Maussan Makes Prediction For 12-12-03 - Franz


>From: Jaime Maussan <jaimemaussanmx@yahoo.com.mx>
>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
>Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:44:42 -0600 (CST)
>Subject: Re: Maussan Makes Prediction For 12-12-03

>>From: Cap. Alejandro Franz <alfafox@prodigy.net.mx>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>>Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:45:18 -0700
>>Subject: Re: Maussan Makes Prediction For 12-12-03

>>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
>>>Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:21:46 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: Maussan Makes Prediction For 12-12-03

>>>>From: Captain Alejandro Franz <alfafox@Prodigy.net.mx>
>>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:41:33 -0700
>>>>Subject: Re: Maussan Makes Prediction For 12-12-03

>>>>I can provide some information about this case, another one of
>>>>many J. Maussan hoaxes. The Aeromexico DC9 flight 129 from
>>>>Guadalajara to Mexico's City Intl. Airport that supposedly had a
>>>>collision with a UFO when approaching runway 05 right at
>>>>Mexico's Intl. Airport on july 1994.

>>>>I know personally the "eyewitness" Enrique Kolbeck, an Air
>>>>Traffic Controller, very close to Jaime Maussan because he is
>>>>the one who always has been invited to join the "team" of
>>>>"eyewitnesses" at all UFO conventions that Maussan has organized
>>>>since 1997.

><snip>

>Dear Friends:

>This 'case' wouldn't even be happening in the United States.....

>Let me explain myself.....
>Recently Captain Alejandro Franz Navarrete, has accused Captain
>Raymundo Cervantes Ruano, Controler Enrique Kolbeck and myself
>of being hoaxers and liars.

Everybody can see that's not true Maussan. You, as usually do,
are manipulating the information and here it shows. When did I
accuse Captain Raymundo Cervantes Ruano?

I said "another one of many J. Maussan hoaxes".

Here you manipulate the case. These attitudes promote skepticism
among those who seek clear and truthful answers.

You are an intelligent journalist, a prosperous producer, but
not an honest UFO researcher. We need facts.

>Why? Because we affirm a collision
>event happened -related to Flight 129, from Aeromexico, flying
>from Guadalajara to Mexico- and that the aircraft probably
>impacted an unknown aerial object the night of July 28, 1994.

Now you use the words "probably" and "unknown aerial object"
then you accept that 'probably' was not a fact. So my
_accusation_ is not to far from the truth.

>Franz Navarrete presents a series of questions and concludes
>that the event never happened.

That's not true. I conclude that there was a mechanical failure
on the DC 9 and according to the situation and coincidences
Ruano decided to declare an emergency. There was no UFO
involved. This case is incomplete.

>Furthermore he contends that
>because it 'never happened' the whole case should be considered
>a hoax.

A hoax is a tricky manipulation of the facts.

HOAX: Something intended to deceive; deliberate
      trickery intended to gain an advantage.

http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=3Dhoax&search.x=3D7&search=
.y=3D13

If there are two eyewitnesses who say that there was no UFO
information and _no_ shaking at the moment the landing gear was
lowered then there was _no_impact_. That is not a UFO collision.
The facts are far from a UFO collision.

>When I said that this case wouldn't happen in the US it is
>because Captain Raymundo Cervantes Ruano is an active Pilot. He
>is an Instructor of Pilots.

Excuse me, he is not a pilot instructor anymore.

>He is also a member of the Board of
>Directors of the Union of Pilots here in Mexico. Capt. Ruano he
>was elected to this position by popular vote. BTW, recently he
>was an -Instructor- of Alejandro Franz Navarrete who is the
>report's principle critic.

Ruano could be my neighbor or my brother and that doesn't change
the way this case was handled. Capt. Ruano was an instructor, he
did normal work when I had my periodic training and he did that
with many pilots as an instructor is supposed to do. And what
the hell has that to do with this case? This is not a circus
were you can show up and think we all are stupid.

The question is... why connect an airplane failure to a UFO
collision?

>Another individual reporting in this case is Enrique Kolbeck.

Kolbeck is a good reporter but he was not controlling Ruano's
flight 129 when the events occurred. He was not an eyewitness,
he is merely an informant.

That is a false testimonial.

>Mr. Kolbeck is an air traffic controller with more than 25 years
>of experience in the field, most of that time working in the
>Control Tower at Mexico City's international airport. He is also
>a member of the Board of Directors of the Union of controllers,
>also elected by popular vote.

Maybe Kolbeck's popularity is at a high, but that's not enough
for a UFO case because we need facts, not fabrication.

>Myself, Jaime Maussan, I have been working as an Investigative
>Reporter for 33 years on Mexican television. I have produced and
>presented around five-hundred, one hour documentaries. Three
>times I have received the National Award for Journalism. I was
>also Anchorman and Director of '60 Minutes' for Mexican TV. I
>have worked as a journalist on Mexican television for 17 years.

I recognize you as a great journalist but that doesn't give you
the right to lie and create disinformation on UFO cases.

>I have also received a special Award on Capitol Hill (Room Mike
>Mansfield ) on March 12th 1982. That same day Ted Turner was
>also honored with a special award.  I was also recognized at the
>United Nations where I received an award: 'Global 500' for
>special merits in the defense of the Environment. I received the
>award from the hands of Mostafa Tolba, director of PNUMA on June
>5 1990. I could go on, but this is enough.

This is a UFO List, not a showroom.

>In the US you would not question people with that background.

I would question anybody, including my parents if they don't
tell the truth.

>But now you are ready to believe someone you don't know, just
>because he questions but does not -demonstrate- what he affirms.

Remember Maussan, I have the _terrestrial_ human made material
used to cover the inside of the _link_ related to Jonathan,
John, Bradley, Rutter, Reed or whatever his name is. That's
another hoax you used, deliberately, knowing it was a fraud.

Visit: Alcione Unveils A Hoax

http://www.alcione.org/0reedfke.html

Do you know why Dan Aria and Reed closed their web pages located
at _aliendestiny.com_ and _linkodisey.com_?

>Lets go to the facts.

>On the night of July 28 1994, we received many phone calls
>reporting a sighting in the area of the World Trade Center.
>Because I know Enrique Kolbeck since childhood, I asked the Sky
>Watchers, (a local group) to report the UFO/OVNI to Centro
>Mexico (Control Room). I was at home around 10 pm when Enrique
>Kolbeck called me. He was very nervous as he told me "...I
>almost sh*t in my pants... Flight 129 hit something around the
>World Trade Center, we had an emergency landing and the captain
>wants to speak to you".

>Captain Cervantes Ruano, (who I didn't know,) also called me.
>He, like Enrique Kolbeck was also very nervous. He asked me if
>it was true that we had reports of a sighting. He said that he
>wanted to meet me as soon as possible. The Next day he told me
>the whole story...

>"...when we were about to land I dropped the landing gear and I
>felt a direct hit under the plane.

There was a 'loud noise' but not a "hit". There are two
eyewitnesses. Capt. Alejandro Sotura and Capt. Ramon Ruiz Gomez
- period.

>I thought I had hit a
>Helicopter or an small plane, then I asked for an emergency
>landing...."

>"....we had to circle the airport twice. I wanted someone to get
>a look at the landing gear so I could know if this was
>intact.... they gave me the go ahead, and we landed safely. The
>airplane was taken to the Hangar where the mechanics checked it
>out and told me that the Hydraulic line was cut... they couldn't
>explain what happened to the airplane".

So here we have another case or what? It was supposed to be a
broken strut or not? An oleo as Don Eldgers asserted. Get clear
Maussan, this is your opportunity to gain credibility.

>Along-side the Co Pilot Enrique Gomez, Captain Alejandro Soturo

The correct name is Alejandro Luna Sotura. He is now Security
Chief for Aeromexico, I interviewed him. You may ask him about
the _loud_noise_ - _no_ hit, _no_ trembling, _no_ shaking,
_no_ sense, _no_ impact.

>a flight instructor was also in the cockpit.

Capt. Alejandro Luna Sotura was sitting as an 'extra crew
member' with a 'contract permit' that allows pilots to fly
wearing the uniform inside the cockpit on any of Aeromexico's
flights. That's in our union's agreement which permits us to fly
any of the company routes.

>He congratulated
>Capt. Cervantes Ruano for the action. The plane was a DC 32,
>classification: XA-JEB.

I congratulate him too, I would take the same action under that
similar and strange condition. Any pilot who experience a
_loud_noise_ lowering the landing gear at night, without any
warning, should take precautionary measures, such as declaring
an emergency. That is a security procedure that any pilot is
allowed to perform.

>In the Control room, directly controlling the plane was Giovanni
>Javier Murga Qero. He was helped by controller Alejandro del
>Valle _after_ the event occurred.

You said that Enrique Kolbeck was the one who was controlling
and called Ruano when the supposed collision happened. And
that is not true.

That is stated in your plain conversation with Errol and
Don Ledger on Strange Days... Indeed and you can hear
yourself saying that at:

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/sdiarchive/sdi256.ra

>A week later on August 8,1994 at 11:30 in the morning, Flight
>304 flying in from Acapulco to Mexico city had a very close
>encounter with a big shiny silver disc. The pilots Francisco
>Mezquita and Carlos Corso thought _they_ were going to have a
>collision.

This is another of your hoaxes. Capt. Corzo was the _Co-Pilot_
and you produced a video were Corzo appears in it as a Captain
with _four_ bars on his shoulders, sitting on the left side, and
changing the real _facts_ and that is a _fraud_ - a _hoax_.

The video was recorded inside a DC-9 simulator - the property of
Aeromexico, and the simulation or re-enactment was performed
differently from the way it happened in the real situation.

That is a _hoax_.

That kind of material is what makes people stop believing in
honest investigators.

>They were both very nervous and mad. They also contacted me to
>find out what has happening around the airport. Other cases were
>reported.

I had an interview with Capt. Mezquita, he told me he was
searching in his manual case (down and left, of the _front
airplane's_ main window, and in that moment he heard Capt.
Corzo's scream, then he turned his face toward him and saw
Corzo's reaction....Capt. Mezquita _never_ saw _anything_ that's
_all_ that Capt. Mezquita told me. Period.

>Over the weeks that ensued on at least four occasions
>different airplanes aborted their landings because they saw
>unidentified objects around/near the airport.

>Investigator Carlos Alberto Guzman Rojas and Alfonso Salazar in
>the book: Los Ovnis y la Aviacion Mexicana write... Pp172 and
>173.....

Are you talking seriously? You refer to a book edited last year?

Carlos Guzman is the director of CIFEEEAC (Centro Investigador
de Fenomenos Extraterrestres, Espaciales y Extraordinarios, A.C.)
Carlos A. Guzman Rojas is representative of MUFON in Mexico
and he wrote a book in 1998 as co-author the book "EL OVNI DE
LAS LOMAS" =BFVerdad o Mentira? (The MExico City UFO Video
- True or lie?)

Carlos Alberto Guzman Rojas is the Joint Director of ALCIONE.ORG
where I am the founder and director and where this and more hoaxes
are exposed.

You can call or write Carlos Guzman and ask about that.

See carlos Guzman Rojas Bio:

http://www.alcione.org/carlosg.html

>(please John translate, I want to write exactly what is written
>in the book)

>[***Note to UpDates List readers: I have volunteered my services
>as a translator to Jaime and Enrique Kolbeck should they require
>it. Any errors in translation are mine alone and I assume full
>responsibility. I will leave a copy of the original Spanish
>intact for List members who are able to read it. --John Velez]

Then this will become a real mess, so I will standby until these
two gentlemen can speak for themselves. I will answer this post
completely but not another translated by John.

>The passengers deplaned into the terminal area and immediately
>afterwards the airplane was taken to the hanger. Inspector
>Rodriguez (Martinez) confirmed that he observed that the
>hydraulic line on the right-side landing gear had been cut as if
>it had been done with a razor.

3000 PSI of hydraulic pressure can make numerous kinds of
ruptures and when a line gives up there is a loud _banging_noise_.

<snip>

>In the same book Pp 174, the authors confirm also the events of
>flight 304.

So you refer to a book to claim this 'UFO collision case' is true?

Define yourself Maussan, are you a journalist or what?

>Franz  Navarrete accused Enrique Kolbeck through ACTAM (an air
>traffic controllers association) of giving false testimony about
>this case. He posed at that time the same questions that he has
>presented to UFO Updates. The Air Traffic Controller Angel
>Iturbe Estrop, former air traffic controller at Culiacan Airport
>responds to Franz Navarrete with the following:

That's not true Maussan, and you are talking in Kolbeck's name.
Can't he come in here? Do you always need helpers? Let Kolbeck
talk.

>(Again John I ask you to translate this I want to be factual).

Good job John! Your credits are high now. You are a trigger to
the new age ufology.

I'll cut all the stuff below because Maussan, as always, tries
to distract attention from the facts and reality.

I will stay posting everything about UFO cases not personal
posts belonging to another places and persons, that's junk.

About Angel Iturbe Estrop I only say that he was exposed as an
ignorant in a UFO List from Spain which name was _UFO-Es_  and I
kept _all_ those messages, that at the right time and place I'll
have the opportunity to show these posts that Maussan uses, as a
last resort to discredit me.

There are 3 different posts were Angel Iturbe walked away and
apologised to all. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

John Velez, if you please, accept that I forward those to you
and verify what the real truth is. I can send them to you until
the 29th of December because I am now in Tijuana and the
referred posts are at home in Puebla, Mexico.

I'll appreciate it if you can tell all members what your opinion
is about those posts of Angel Iturbe. Thank you in advance.
  
<snip>

>Also to investigate other cases. I am sorry, but I am very tired
>of being attacked by "investigadores de escritorio". (Armchair
>investigators)

I am tired, very tired of field investigators who don't tell the
truth and use the UFO field only to make money.

>I am and have been an investigator for many years.

At the end of this message you say you are a simple journalist,
can't you see how inconsistent you are?

>When I express an opinion it is because I have
>investigated the facts. It's so easy to talk ...it's so easy to
>attack.

It's so easy to not be truthful but the truth will come soon.

You just talked and talked about me, trying to discredit my
background, you are not talking _straight_ about the _facts_.

Do you know NICAR? (National Institute for Computer Assisted
Reporting)

http://www.nicar.org

>Many of the questions posed by Franz Navarrete couldn't being
>answered because the Air Company, Aeromexico, will not allow
>the information to come out...to be made public. Do you know any
>company in the world that would let a journalist conduct an
>investigation around a security issue?  None.

There was no "security" issue, there was a broken hydraulic line
in the main gear or a broken strut, or a "bungee switch"... well
I don't know, you've given so many reasons that I can't tell but
there was a mechanical failure. The security procedure that was
taken bym Cap. Ruano was correct but has nothing to do with
UFOs. You do not have enough material to prove it and I have two
eyewitness pilots who are essentially important.

>And Franz Navarrete
>as he poses his questions knows and depends on that.

That's not true. There is a law of free information in Mexico
where you can get _any_ information you want. If Capt. Ruano was
involved in an incident like the alleged 'UFO collision', he
should ask for copies of _all_ the documents involved. He, as a
commander, when any official documents are delivered, must ask
for them. That's the only way a pilot can assure his background
and he knows that - ask him or the authorities.

When you get those documents we'll be waiting for them.

>He has also said that I mentioned that people from NASA or the
>FAA came to investigate this event....? Please, first off, the Mexican
>governemt wouldn't allow that.

The same way, maybe, Mexican government allowed Jonathan
Reed/Rutter to be in mexican territory without a passport or any
documents. He alleged he had lost when he was threatened by and
hidden from 'USA special agents'.

How did you deal with that Maussan?

>How can he say such a lie and get

John Velez, take note, he called me a liar, we are even. uh?

Anyway I have a group of lawyers behind me, so don't worry.

>away with it. Probably because you don=B4t know much about this man.

You'll know about me Maussan. I know how you use your power to
discredit people. I have information and audio tapes about how
you are using the media at this very moment to discredit me. I'm
not afraid. I am a very well centered person who is accustomed
to dealing with extreme situations - and this isn't the first
one.

There is no small enemy.

>Come to Mexico, investigate _him_. Asks the pilots what they think
>of him... ask the air traffic controllers what is their opinion about
>this man.

Yes, visit Mexico! Great country! Ask about me! I'm great!

I propose a deal Maussan. If I demonstrate that you did say that
people from NASA or the FAA came to investigate this case and
took the damaged parts to the U.S.A., you'll leave the UFO arena
forever? If I don't demonstrate it I'll quit everything I have
to do with UFOs and give away ALCIONE.ORG to anybody... are you
in?

That will give you some time. I have to look for that video.

>In his Curriculum Vitae he claims to be Pilot, Controller,
>Meteorologist, UFO investigator, Contactee, Astro-archeologist,
>parapsychologist, hypnotist, Webmaster and Director of SEIP
>Sociedad Espa=F1ola de Investigaciones Parapsicologicas,
>Asociacion Civil.

You took that information from a post by Angel Iturbe in 2001
and that information is true but not the same as of the one I
have now at:

http://www.alcione.org/alexcred.htm

Please visit the following site:

Aeromexico's Airplane Collides With A UFO In 1994! True Or
False?

http://www.alcione.org/FRAUDES/OVNI94/OVNI94_engx.html

>I am a simple journalist, respected by the people of Mexico and
>Latin America.

That's egotism.

You are not what you think you are, ask your 'vigilantes' -
_sky_watchers_ to go out and ask people in the streets, make
a poll but do it honestly, by that you'll find out who you
really are and what people think about you.

You could be a great investigator, you are plenty of skill, but
sadly you lost the floor long time ago (1991).

>You choose who to believe.

I don't believe you.


Best regards,

Capt. Alejandro Franz
director@alcione.org
www.alcione.org
non-profit